Returning to Self in Hawai’i - Kama Hagar

Kama Hagar recounts her early life growing up in a fast-paced rock-and-roll environment, which led her to suppress her needs and identity. Over time, she developed patterns of people-pleasing and disconnection from her authentic self. Her turning point came through personal crisis, including a deeply codependent relationship, which pushed her to reconnect with her inner voice, body awareness, and spiritual practices. This journey marked the beginning of her mission to help others return to themselves.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:10

Hello everyone, welcome back to a new episode of the Spiritual Inspired Show. I am your host, Claudio Murgan. For previous episodes, please uh visit uh's uh network, spiritualinspired.ca, or our YouTube channel. My uh guest uh today comes from Hawaii and is Kama Hagar. Kama, thank you for joining me.

SPEAKER_01 0:33

Hi, thank you so much. And I say cloud you, right? Zach, yes. Amazing. I'm Kema, it's so nice to meet you.

SPEAKER_00 0:42

Kima, thank you. So I would like to start by mentioning that you grew up on the road with a rock band and later reconnecting with nature in Hawaii. Seems like contrasting walls. How did those experiences shape your approach to healing?

SPEAKER_01 0:59

Totally. Well, it's actually only recently that I've been really allowing them to merge together because I think that the extreme of growing up with my dad in a rock and roll band and having this really fast-paced lifestyle made me almost want to rebel in the opposite direction, which is so funny. Cause like that's the ultimate rebellion, like being in a rock and roll band. But then I was like, I don't want to drink, I don't want to do any of these things, I want to be meditative, I want to be connected to nature and have this slow pace. And but my truth is both. My truth is truly both. And it's really been amazing to embrace the paradox of having a little bit of that like inner rebel, both ways, having that like sense of wanting to do a lot and go, go, go and live life to the fullest, while also being somebody who lives in Hawaii. I have literally two baby chicks behind me, like a little homestead. And I really believe that most humans are just so multifaceted anyway. And in my opinion, when we really, really, really integrate every part of us, that is true authenticity and true authenticity, highest vibration, the closer you are to spirit. So I'm sure that you have a lot of inner paradoxes as well.

SPEAKER_00 2:20

Yes, and uh, you know, living in Hawaii, I know from many guests I interviewed and friends who live there, and in fact, one of them still lives in uh Kawaii, that you cannot rush it, you cannot rush life, you know. You just have to live it, uh go by the beach, uh, enjoy every single moment. And um uh someday I will come to to visit all the islands because I think it's uh due for me to come and feel the energy of the place because it's beautiful.

SPEAKER_01 2:52

Oh, you have to.

SPEAKER_00 2:56

And uh your work centers around the idea of coming home to yourself. How did you first discover that return to self was your soul's mission?

SPEAKER_01 3:07

Oh, yes. So it actually took me a long time to understand that as the pattern in my life. But starting from the beginning, as we just said, growing up on the road with my family really required me to make myself small because it was fast-paced, it was a really big like energy, and there wasn't room for me to have all of my needs and my desires and my even like personality. It was just go, go, go, go, go, make this easy, focus over here. And so I learned, just picked up kind of the cues that okay, it's better to have not a lot of needs, it's better to be small, it's better to just like be easy and also smile and wave. And so I learned a lot of these like people pleasing, fawning, losing myself conditions. Um, I also have a long line of codependent and addiction in my family, codependency and addiction on both sides, really hardcore. So I just saw a lot of people not really being with themselves, actually, with a lot of avoidance, a lot of um dependency. And I was like, I didn't really even know what it meant to like be me. So my first exploration of that was actually through fashion and beauty, because I found that without words and without like maybe making myself really big or having a lot of needs, I could express who I was or different parts of who I was through the clothes I was wearing. Because I didn't have to say anything to be wearing something that I felt was beautiful or interesting. And it was really like cathartic for me. It sounds like superficial, but um, every day it was like, who do I get to be? Is this me? Is this me? Is this me? And I felt like I was looking in a mirror, reflection of myself every day, being like, is that me or is this me? And so ultimately I went on to study fashion design and I thought I wanted to be a designer because of all of the joy it brought me. But while I was in that industry, I found out very quickly, this isn't actually what I want. I don't know what to do. I kind of had like a crisis, and I ended up coming to Maui where I'd grown up part-time, the place where I really felt home. Speaking of home, the only place that ever felt like home. And I was all over the world. So, but that felt like home. So I came back home and um I started to do my self-study and become really deeply like started to listen to my spirit, started to meditate all the time, started to really care for my body and understand the language of my body. And then I went on to study all of these different things with healers and practitioners and got a lot of certifications and, you know, the field, but it was all for me. And it took me years of kind of losing myself and finding myself and losing myself, and then actually losing that place I called home, which was my childhood home. And I was like, whoa, I need to find that place within me. So it was coming home to myself like that. But the real straw that kind of broke the camel's back and pushed me over the edge in the best way, well, worst way, but then best way was ending up in a really codependent relationship of my own. And that was something I swore to never do. But I lost myself so completely and really just gave up my life for someone. And my body responded, my emotions responded. I was not even the it was a shell of who I am today. And finally, after a year and a half in that state of just pure disconnect, anxiety, depression, not even really wanting to live. I just woke up one day and was like, I cannot do this anymore. I need to listen to my soul. And my soul is telling me to go home, which is to myself, to start doing the things that bring me joy again, to follow my desires, to express myself the way I want to express myself, to be brave on my own, and also to come back to Hawaii, because that also always felt like me. So now my mission is really helping people listen to those wake-up calls, listen to that poll in your soul that keeps telling you, like, go here, go here, like this isn't right for you, or but we're so scared because we've been conditioned to believe it is. So that is that's who I am now. That is everything I do, and it's my greatest mission. And I'm just so lucky to like be living the life I'm living. I always want to be an example, like, no, listen to your soul, it gets so good.

SPEAKER_00 7:55

Beautiful, yes. You radiate uh light and love, and uh you really enjoy what you are doing. People will see it through uh just looking at you, and we you talk about codependency and your spiritual path and evolution. So, how did your personal evolution uh influence those around you, family and and friends? Did you see them changing as well?

SPEAKER_01 8:21

Oh, I love that question. People don't ask that question enough, but yes, that was the best part about what I did for me. Is there are people in my life that you know, part of codependency is right? It's I want to rescue you so I can feel safe. And we're all trying to rescue each other. When I rescued myself, the people around me rescued themselves too. And it actually could make me cry because like about to cry already. Oh my God, I didn't expect that because to be honest, something I was so scared of was being selfish and leaving people behind, or right, just putting me first when I had put so many people ahead of me before. Oh my gosh, that was my thing. And it was really scary to claim that for me. I felt so much guilt and all of it, just so uncomfortable. And I had to tap through that. I do a lot of EFT emotional freedom technique, but like tapping on guilt every single day of doing what I want to do for myself, which is so crazy, but it's true. But oh, if I couldn't name names, I wish I could. But these people like ending relationships or starting new jobs or cutting ties with you know, friends that weren't aligned for them, or just starting to just like completely redo their lives and look at what I was doing and be like, wait, wait. And that's what happens, like we make a ripple, and that's why I actually trademarked the slogan selfless self-care so many years ago before I even really did that. Because I just knew, at least in my brain, that when we take care of ourselves, it completely shifts those around us.

SPEAKER_00 10:07

Yes, indeed. And you mentioned certifications and uh tapping also, you know, EFT and intuitive channeling and Reiki and Brett work. So when you work with clients, what modality um, or how do you determine what modality works uh best for her or him? Dear friends, I would like to personally thank you for your support by watching spiritually inspired uh show, joining or other's uh network and promoting us to the world. We try to bring fresh information and knowledge to those who are looking for a personal uh development, who want to um watch um those spiritual uh leaders and people who uh waken up to their full potential telling about their experiences and their journeys. Please go on YouTube and um join our um channel, it's under my name, Claudio Murgan, and also tell your friends about joining Oravers network. We are here for you to enrich your spiritual journey, and until next time, love and gratitude.

SPEAKER_01 11:19

Oh, great question. Every time it's different because it just depends on the session, it depends on the intention, it depends on where they are. And I think something that I'm lucky to have is just a really strong sense of intuition and empathy. So I can connect, and that's always been my gift. I think that's why coaching, I was coaching before I was coaching. I was just always in the field, able to tap in. And so I can tell when somebody's just in the phase where they need to listen. I can tell when somebody needs to be pushed, I can tell when it's okay, fear is coming up. Now we're gonna tap it out. But I use all of these tools mixed, and I think that they have a place in really every session and all the all of them. But we we will tap into what needs to be done.

SPEAKER_00 12:08

And now because you are compared to me, you are young. And do you feel like you are attracting clients at your own age or people much, much older than uh than you?

SPEAKER_01 12:20

It's a good mix, but there are quite a lot of people that are a lot older than I am. And it's interesting. In the beginning, I didn't have as much of a um complex or like a fear around that. What's the word? I was always like, oh, well, I teach meditation. Because in the beginning, I was just teaching meditation, and those clients came to learn from me how to meditate because they heard meditation would help them with, you know, their body or their divorce or whatever is going on. Because it does. It's such a great solution to working through stuff, sitting with it, coming back to stillness, coming home. But in time, those clients I still have to this day, and they're my very beginning clients, a lot of them are older. And I felt like we kind of grew together and they found, I guess, more out of me than I even knew I had. I remember they were kind of pulling, I was like, no, we just meditate here. And they're like, no, I think you can help me more. So that's a real honor. But I also think we're all just mirrors of one another. And where I am kind of evolved in one area, they're involved beyond me and others. It's beautiful to have a student-teacher relationship because it changes. I mean, it flips together all the time.

SPEAKER_00 13:34

And do you feel like during this process you are also learning if from time to time you are the student and they are the teacher?

SPEAKER_01 13:42

Exactly. That's what I mean exactly. Like I learn from my students all the time. And there are times where I sit in a group setting or a one-on-one, and I'm just amazed that they're going through something that I like just figured out, you know, that I just like embodied, that I just cracked through. And then suddenly the energetic door opens, like I'm not even controlling it, and all these people are in line to understand that same wisdom. It's so profound. And then I learned through them and how they handle and their perspective, and it's such a it's a beautiful container to be in a student-teacher dynamic.

SPEAKER_00 14:17

Yes, and I feel uh like me having being a father of two uh boys, I feel like the younger generation really needs some um guidance and um hand helding, you know, because there's so much uh disturbance and chaos in the world and they don't know what they should do. I mean, they can apply and take um uh some courses, they go to university, but at the end they find themselves with no job and they don't like what they went through anymore, so they kind of have to start um all over. Have you encountered uh cases like this?

SPEAKER_01 14:53

I was that case. I went through the whole fashion beauty, got my degree in fashion design and all of these different things that I just felt like, what? Whoa, what am I doing? And I think a lot of people, like you said, a lot of young people have been conditioned to think you go down this path, you get these degrees, you you know, it's all like this achievement thing instead of this listening thing, which I think that's the key, is just teaching these new generations and the current ones too. I know this sounds really counterintuitive, but listen to yourself and let that guide you. And sometimes we do need to go down the path that doesn't work because that teaches us so many lessons too. So it's just trusting the journey that it's obviously not like this, it's like this and this and this and this and this, and that's the joy of living. That's why we came here.

SPEAKER_00 15:50

Yes, exactly. Kima, you talk about writing weekly love letters or blog posts. Um, how has this practice deepened your connection with your community and yourself?

SPEAKER_01 16:02

Yeah, for the past almost 10 years, I have had a I had a weekly blog. I stopped doing the weekly blog about a year and a half ago. Um, but it was such a beautiful practice for myself and the people. I didn't realize for them I was doing it really for me. I love to write. And I always felt this really deep sense of it helped me process. And I thought if I could share this and it could help somebody else, amazing. And it really was such a connection point between me and the people that are my clients or my students and friends, whatever, who follow me now. And then I started to actually do a little YouTube for a minute. I thought, okay, I want to get comfortable using my voice. So I did about two months straight of posting a video every single day. And that was such an amazing challenge because I realized how much fear there was in being seen and in my using my voice and saying the wrong thing and writing, there's almost a little bit more grace because you know, you can edit, you can do these things, but something about the full frontal face was really confronting. And I feel like I broke through something there too, which was really great. Now there's not as much of a um a weekly thing like that or a blog, but I do post on my Instagram all the time, and I've been trying to make that just a real, more vulnerable, honest, authentic space because we can see that happening in the collective. Like people don't want the contrived content, they really want to feel you making mistakes, being silly, being raw, being real. And so that's my intention now. And it's been really fun to play with it in that way.

SPEAKER_00 17:44

Beautiful. And you mentioned um cosmetics. You have your own eco-luxury skincare line. And do you think that having physical products helps support emotional or spiritual alignment?

SPEAKER_01 17:59

Totally. It was my gateway drug, if you will, into my body. Because as a girl who was really coming from this background of like entertainment, and that was my world was being around entertainment, fashion, beauty, performing, right? Just trying to be perfect. And skincare was that little bridge where it's like almost in the beauty industry, but it's actually really about well-being. And I found myself at the precipice of both when I launched it, because I launched that skincare line out of my own need and desire for clean skincare. But I did it when I was in between the world of fashion and moving into like what am I doing next? So it really was that bridge. And I also believe that the body is a bridge. The body is a bridge between the physical world and the spiritual world because everything that our soul is telling us comes through the body. And that's why people are always like, oh, I'm experiencing these weird, mysterious illnesses or ailments, or my hair is falling out, or this chronic anxiety. And I'm like, it's not your body at war with you. It's your body on your team trying to tell you, like, hey, it's a game of hot and cold. It's a game of this is misaligned, this is aligned. And it will show you, it will show you health and joy. It will respond to you listening and following it. So what a beautiful practice, at least for me, the act of nourishing my skin every single morning and every night. And the products I make are just so conscious. They're made out of 100% natural organic uh ingredients, recycled packaging, just so much love and high vibrational practice. So that's the thing. I think that any practice could actually be like a spiritual practice, but that one just feels so hand in hand.

SPEAKER_00 19:56

Yes, and what uh what a better place to create all this than uh Hawaii, which is you know nature's paradise, pretty much.

SPEAKER_01 20:05

Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 20:07

Uh Kema, you talk about mentorship. That was a very important part of your um growth. So, what's a lesson you learn from a mentor that revolutionized your perspective?

SPEAKER_01 20:20

Oh, so many. So I learned from all of my teachers, of course, that taught me the different practices and modalities from meditation to Reiki to Hawaiian healing to yoga. Also, if you look at each one of those mind, body, spirit, I feel like, and emotions, like you're getting every single dimension of self through each one of those practices, which I love. All of those teachers taught me so much about just holding space, about, of course, their their craft, their practice, their wisdom. But then there was also a lot of teachers, not specifically those, but I went on to study from, that showed me what not to do. And that was really important too. I like to joke that I had joined a few cults, slipped and fell into a couple cults, one bigger one. And that was so interesting because it taught me conscious discipleship. It taught me how to look at somebody who's kind of just shining really bright or commanding the space or in a role of authority and understanding that, of course, they're human and they have their limitations too. It's nobody is a perfect clear channel. I am not a perfect clear channel. We're all doing our best, but we also really have to make sure that the people we're learning from have a little bit of like checks and balances. And so, yeah, I learned a lot from this one that really wasn't great, but um had so much magnetism. And so it was just really great for me as somebody again who had learned pretty much to follow a lot of authority as a kid, and to that was. That kept me safe and like walk in this line. It's actually good to have a little bit of like inner rebel on board. It's keeping you safe to know how does that actually run through with me? How does that run with my body? Does that resonate? Is that even true for me? And for me, because it could be somebody else's truth, but you always gotta be checking. So I think it taught me how to hold space in a much in a way that has a lot of integrity, because now that's a huge thing for me. I'm actually trying to step more into my authority because I feel like I've I'm a gentle leader because I want people to really check in with themselves. So important to me.

SPEAKER_00 22:42

Yes. And um, do you think that what you just said also goes a line uh along the uh inner wisdom? Is there a particular practice people can do in order to trust themselves more?

SPEAKER_01 22:56

Oh yes. So much of what I teach is about trusting yourself more. And one of the main things I always tell people again and again is it really is listen to your body. It sounds cliche, but really listen. And I give them that the example of give yourself a statement, like I live in this certain place, for example. And does your body contract? You feel like a tightness, or do you feel an expansive, light, open, kind of peaceful feeling? And you can do that with anything. You can do it with the food you eat, the people you surround yourself with, you can do it with the color you want to paint your wall. Just notice how your body responds. Is it expanding or contracting? That's the very first thing. And once people have that down, you literally become an unstoppable force. The next part is I'm scared to actually voice it, or I don't want to lose, you know, people in my life or disappoint people because now they're clear what their inner body and compass says, but then it's about communicating it. So then I teach them how to do that too. And I have an entire course on that. It's called Brave Enough to Be You, and it's launching three doors reopening in May.

SPEAKER_00 24:05

Beautiful. And because you live in that amazing uh place, have you had the chance to interact with any local kahunas?

SPEAKER_01 24:13

Oh my gosh, yes. I've studied two different times with Hawaiian healers and elders here on the island of Maui, and it has been the most transformative, profound teachings that are so fundamental to me. I have this like tight sleeve where I'd roll it up and show you my tattoo, but I have a tattoo on my forearm that says aloha. And aloha ma was actually a training I did here on Maui with Keoni Hanalei, who teaches the fundamental basics and beyond of ancient Mu, Lemuria, and all of these lost civilizations that are so deeply integral in the Hawaiian culture. And some are not even really in touch with that. Um, but a lot of people are. And it's really the magic of Hawaii that so many f people feel. And I was always connected to that growing up as a kid. We actually called our childhood home moo. Somebody else named it that. I didn't even know what moo was. And but I was already learning the lessons of moo just through the land. And then later in life it came full circle and I met all these people. But I've studied Hawaiian fern medicine. I've studied um about the inner feminine and masculine and androgynous and getting in the right relation with yourself. I've studied La'au La Pao, which is Hawaiian um plant medicine, and lomi lomi, and working with hot stones and so many different beautiful things, chanting, dancing, the way that Hawaiians connect with land and land being almost synonymous with spirit, oh, it just resonates completely with my system.

SPEAKER_00 25:53

Yes, you're really blessed to be there and um be exposed to such uh learning. And in fact, two of my uh books in two of my books I um wrote about uh Hawaii. I think it was just a download, a remembering, I don't know, but I had to include um the uh the information and the wisdom of Hawaii, and um it was beautiful. I mean, it just flew, and the third book in the trilogy will happen on Hawaii. I mean, the main character um resides moves from Canada to Hawaii, and she uh tells everything in a diary type of format uh from Hawaii, so we'll see how that story will evolve.

SPEAKER_01 26:34

Oh, that's amazing! And then you have to come here and see how you experience it from there.

SPEAKER_00 26:40

Exactly. And have you had the chance to climb up any uh volcanoes and climb down then and experience the spirit?

SPEAKER_01 26:48

Yeah, definitely. Here we have Haleakala, which is a dormant volcano, and people actually call it the heart chakra of the earth. I've heard there's a couple, but that's one of the places that it's really, really powerful, so still, so quiet. I think they've measured that in the crater, it's maybe the or one of the quietest places on earth. So that's really special. And then we also have, of course, on the big island that there's volcanoes. I've only done Kilauea. I've I've hiked into the crater, and that's really beautiful too. So there's so much ecodiversity here, and I love studying how it feels again in my body and in my spirit, each different place. Like the jungle has so much magic, the beaches have so much magic, the lava rock fields have so much magic, and I think it's just so fun to have that kind of dialogue with nature and watch how it how it impacts you.

SPEAKER_00 27:43

Yes. And uh now, after so much self-development, self-care, self-awareness, how is your relationship with uh with your family?

SPEAKER_01 27:53

Yeah, actually, right now, better than ever. I was just talking to somebody yesterday, and I was just so proud to be like, you know what? Like they're all crazy, but I love them so much, and I really mean it. And there's been times in my life where I really have not felt like that. There's been times where we were really at odds, or I was really, you know, disappointed or kind of angry or bitter or feeling like, oh, I didn't get this, what I needed, or why can't you understand? And I don't know, everyone's also kind of in a really amazing awakening phase, which I do think is happening in the collective right now, right? With all this tension, that is how things start to break open. So I love it. I know it's kind of insane to say, and people might be like, you're privileged to say that. And I'm aware of my privilege. And I also trust so much in the greater trajectory. I trust in spirit, I trust in the journey. I don't think that things are just happening like for punishing bad reasons. I always think things are getting better. So, anyways, my whole family is really awakening to like their own inner stuff right now. They're all in this kind of like self-inquiry spiritual phase, which they've all had bits and pieces of, but it's been really lovely. I feel like we're all connected in a way that we haven't always been specifically right now. So it's a great time for you to have asked.

SPEAKER_00 29:15

So, can I say that they switch from rock music to kumbaya music?

SPEAKER_01 29:20

No, they're still rock and roll, but it's really cool. Like, yeah, it's hilarious. But yeah, the energy is a lot more kumbaya.

SPEAKER_00 29:30

That's great. And Kima, if you had the chance to invite uh to dinner three personalities in the spiritual world, contemporary or not, who would these people be?

SPEAKER_01 29:45

Oh, three people that I'd invite to dinner. The first one that came to mind is Bob Marley, and I probably it's partially I just love his music. I also think that reggae music has just specifically been such an interesting study on it's like, yeah, there's it's very rebellious. It's very like the system needs to be doing better, which is so funny because that's also very like punk rock, and I like both. But I think he was like just he was leading such a revolution and he was doing it through peace, joy, music, connection. And we just saw that with Bad Bunny at like the Super Bowl. And I think that's so amazing because we want to lead revolutions from a place of connection. So, Bob Marley, I would say, um, oh my gosh, now you're putting me on the spot. I'm feeling like, oh, you know, I think I'd be really interested in chatting with Elizabeth Gilbert, who wrote Eat Pray Love. She has just always been somebody who interests me so much from her bravery and her self-connection. Also, she just wrote this intense book on codependency and um how she went through that experience too. And I would just want to pick her brain. And then for number three, this is so tricky. I'm tempted to say Frida Kahlo. And it's not, I have such a I have a mixed relationship with that woman because I don't want any of that pain and suffering. And I think that in some ways, beyond the tragedies that happened to her, I think she also kind of like liked it for her art. Hot take. So I would just be curious and understanding what that looks like. Almost if I'm right, I also just love her. I mean, think she's very interesting. But I would be curious and and kind of how her psyche works and how the people who've suffered so much and do they kind of does that influence their art? Are they afraid that if they lose the suffering, they'll lose their art and all of these things like that? I'd want to talk to her.

SPEAKER_00 31:51

Thank you. Amazing uh choices, interesting choices, to be honest with you, and no one picked these names before, so thank you. And uh in two months, I'm going to interview Gregory Manarino, who is uh part of the Rastafarian, if I'm uh remembering correctly, the um Jamaican um type of religion. So that would be a very interesting discussion because he comes from the financial world, and I want to bring out the other side of him, the spiritual side of him. So we'll see how that goes. Oh, so interesting. What can you tell us uh about your you mentioned here and there about your programs, but anything else in particular you want to mention?

SPEAKER_01 32:36

Yeah, coming out in just a few days on the 19th of March, I have this amazing uh kit coming out. It's 24 days of meditations and journaling prompts that get sent to your email every day, super easy, but you get lifelong access to the portal. It's of course called listen to your body, and it's all about returning to your body, connecting to it. It can be the first step. If you don't know what listen to your body means and you're hearing me and you're like, wait, that sounds actually important. This is the place to just really reconnect, reconnect and stop making anything about this wrong, stop trying to control and just connect. So I've created all these beautiful practices, takes no more than 15 minutes a day of your time. I'm really excited about that. And of course, 21 days is the time that we start to shift the brain. So it's actual neuroscience the reason I've chosen 24, just to push it over a little bit. And that's the first thing. And then Brave Enough to be you, our doors are reopening in May. So I'm really excited about that too. For anyone who wants to go deeper and really follow that soul pull, I have an exact protocol to help you through that journey.

SPEAKER_00 33:52

Beautiful. And uh your sessions are they only online or you organize um in person as well?

SPEAKER_01 33:59

I do in person here on Maui. I do a monthly cacao ceremony called Wonderland. It's the best. And I always wish more people in the world could come. It's women only right now, but we're about to do our first co-ed one in April because I have so many boys begging to do it. So, but they're always fun, a little weird. Like, think Alice in Wonderland. Like you come for an adventure and something's always a little different. We play with identity and shadow, we play with self-connection, silence, connection with one another. It's always really fun and beautiful and like a little rock and roll mixed with all of that sacred practice. It's really that marriage of those two identities you talked about in the beginning. And then lastly, there actually is something that people can come see me in person with. And it's at the end of the summer, August 28th through 30th. It's actually not fully announced yet, but maybe by the time this is out, we'll see. But stay tuned. Adult summer camp. I'm having a three-day adult summer camp here on Maui for people to just let their inner child rage, sack racing, bobbing for apples, airband, karaoke, like just play and silliness and tomfoolery and pure chaos. And it's gonna be so much fun. I literally can't wait for this one. I'm losing my mind.

SPEAKER_00 35:18

So, accommodations will be in tents, tense only?

SPEAKER_01 35:21

It's gonna be like cabins.

SPEAKER_00 35:23

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 35:24

Cabins and um all meals included, everything included. And it's also a great way to support Maui after the Lahaina fires. We're doing it on West Maui, which is really slowly coming back together from all of that, and we're just having lots of fun. Local businesses sponsor and connect. So it's gonna be the best time ever.

SPEAKER_00 35:45

Interesting. And you mentioned cacao ceremony, women only. And for my first cacao ceremony, I participated. Everything, every single one before that was women only, and the lady who organized it for the first time uh accepted men, so it was a beautiful experience.

SPEAKER_01 36:02

Someone said to me, men are people too. And I was like, I know I love working with men, I have lots of one-on-one male clients, but we ended up creating just the circle for women, which I think is so important. But I agree, I want to do one cowed. I think men are people too.

SPEAKER_00 36:20

Thank you, thank you for acknowledging us. You're so welcome. And because you mentioned also Kakao, have you worked with any other sacred plant medicine?

SPEAKER_01 36:32

So, yes, in Hawaiian healing, tons of different ferns. That's a huge thing here. That's a huge thing in the moo practice that we have all of these ferns for all of the human emotions, which is so powerful and ferns being so prehistoric. So I've done a lot of plant medicine with ferns. It's not psychoactive, it's really, really gentle and subtle. It's more of almost like an energy. Um and then I've done a lot with lao la pa'au, so Hawaiian plant medicine. Again, none of that's psychoactive. Lots of things like healing fruits and flowers and um herbs that you're just putting on the skin. Kava is actually that's one I've worked with too, where you just feel that complete calm in your body. Kava also you can absorb transdermally. So I've done kava body wraps where you get wrapped in kava and you feel like you're floating out of your body. It's crazy. So, yes, I've experimented with a lot and but no real, like um, I guess, like, what do we call it?

SPEAKER_00 37:36

Oh yeah, or some bed or anything like that.

SPEAKER_01 37:39

I did shrooms one time here in my house, completely alone about a year ago, and I felt the call and I had resisted it for a long time. I was like, oh, I don't need that. I need I want to be through the body, which I do still believe. Number one, through your body, through your breath. And then if there's like, I gotta break through this wall, I can't get there, we can start to see if we get the call to something. I fully believe in the call. I got the call to do shrooms, very small. Um, it really wasn't that profound. I laughed at the telephone pole outside of my window for maybe like 15 minutes. And then I thought, anything else? Like, and I kind of had a few things I processed, random like family things, and then it was very gentle. Went to bed though, and did have a really profound dream that did end up shifting the entire trajectory of a relationship I had at the time. So, hey, I guess there's something to it.

SPEAKER_00 38:36

Yes, it served its purpose for sure.

SPEAKER_01 38:38

It served its purpose.

SPEAKER_00 38:40

Okay, we are at the end of this lovely discussion. Any final words?

SPEAKER_01 38:45

Oh, thank you. Just thank you so much for what you do and having this space for people to have conversations. And I can tell that it's your truth. I mean, I love your background too, just full of I'm so interested in it. I like want to peruse all the books in the library. And um, clearly, you followed a call and a poll and a passion, and that's brave. And I think that the people that choose to do that are brave, and bravery is the most important thing that we can have and be here on this planet. So thank you.

SPEAKER_00 39:14

Thank you very much. Much love. Thank you.

SPEAKER_01 39:16

Much love.

SPEAKER_00 39:17

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